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Simcheck/Aerosoft A-300 project

#1 User is offline   Mathijs Kok (Aerosoft) Icon

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Post icon  Posted 10 December 2009 - 02:11 PM

Not to be confused with the Aerosoft Airbus A321/320 project, we like to introduce the Simcheck A-300 that will be distributed (both boxed and in download) by Aerosoft early next year. Release is scheduled for late January. The Project Manager William will tell you more details about this complex and detailed aircraft.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 02:12 PM

Nice to see it now official announced by you :)
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Posted 10 December 2009 - 06:41 PM

I´m really looking forward to the A300.
But you have to know there is a A300/A310 simulator which is even a little better than the Simcheck one.
OK, it costs 342.000,- Euro but has a great 3D-cockpit :lol:
Look here and scroll down to the end:
http://www.simaviati...rs_for_Sale.pdf

If I had the money....

Just kidding

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 06:57 PM

View PostSimPilot767, on 10 December 2009 - 07:41 PM, said:

I´m really looking forward to the A300.
But you have to know there is a A300/A310 simulator which is even a little better than the Simcheck one.
OK, it costs 342.000,- Euro but has a great 3D-cockpit Posted Image
Look here and scroll down to the end:
http://www.simaviati...rs_for_Sale.pdf

If I had the money....

Just kidding

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Timo

@Mathijs: If simaviatik is a direct competitor, then please delete my post and excuse me...


LOL, that flightsimulator stands at my school, it's never used for professional use anymore though.. Posted Image !
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Posted 10 December 2009 - 08:42 PM

Will there be an FS9 version?
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Posted 10 December 2009 - 11:06 PM

Their website looks very legit. The VC looks amazing, especially the night lighting!

I don't know much about the A300, other than it's an old Airbus, and that American Airlines just retired theirs!
Is there any more info on this project? Like... framerate friendly, focusing on systems over visuals, etc...?


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Posted 11 December 2009 - 01:37 PM

View PostAaronMyers, on 10 December 2009 - 08:42 PM, said:

Will there be an FS9 version?


for info
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Posted 14 December 2009 - 01:09 PM

OK, here we go. Some information on the Simcheck Airbus A300B4-200 and as Mathijs correctly pointed out not to be confused with the Airbus A321/320 project. Although being an Airbus, this A300 is undeniably a completely different airplane to the modern Airbus fleet, in fact its hard work to fly it keeping in mind that a cockpit crew of 3 are used in real life. And this is exactly where the emphasis lies on this add-on, a realistic simulation of all the systems of this aircraft. But don´t worry, once you got the basics, you´ll manage. In the graphics department we have not used photorealistic background images for the VC but nevertheless SimCheck have done an excellent job in creating a superb and functioning VC environment. Even the engineers panel is functionable in VC mode.
Flightplans can be loaded into the INS system (if you want to avoid the adventure of loading coordinates manually) which for me was an adventure by itself as I´m more used to operating high fidelity FMC´s. Sit on the tarmac and call the fuel truck for real time fueling via the fuel panel and then get going. Its different, but good!
For the moment only an FSX version is planned, but...who knows.

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Posted 14 December 2009 - 02:53 PM

View PostAaronMyers, on 10 December 2009 - 09:42 PM, said:

Will there be an FS9 version?


First instance we will only be releasing an FSX version.

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Posted 14 December 2009 - 05:49 PM

So, at a later date we can expect a FS9 version? And if not, I'll wait untill I can run FSX proparly :-) I've always wanted a good A300. I love those old, steam-gauge-filled cockpits.
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Posted 14 December 2009 - 07:20 PM

I have to say that nightlighting and the little "wear and tear" looks very nice,
but since a few weeks "we" aerosoft customers are a little bit "spoilt" by the polygon-wonder A321!
Obviously the A300 seems to have much less polygons, but maybe this is an advantage concerning the FPS!?


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Posted 14 December 2009 - 07:22 PM

View PostSimPilot767, on 14 December 2009 - 08:20 PM, said:

I have to say that nightlighting and the little "wear and tear" looks very nice,
but since a few weeks "we" aerosoft customers are a little bit "spoilt" by the polygon-wonder A321!
Obviously the A300 seems to have much less polygons, but maybe this is an advantage concerning the FPS!?


Regards,

Timo


The system complexity of the A300 will be far and beyond the A321/A320, though, for as far as I understand, and this will, still, drag down FPS. Probably not a lot, though, because there is no FMC.
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Posted 14 December 2009 - 07:37 PM

View PostThralni, on 14 December 2009 - 08:22 PM, said:

... because there is no FMC.


Yes, because of this i´m looking forward to fly this baby. Old-school-style: INS, VOR, ADF, DME and a real paper chart with coffee-spots on it...

Timo

PS: Not quite right: The A300-600 already had a ND and a FMC and was modified for a two-men-cockpit.
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Posted 14 December 2009 - 10:48 PM

View PostSimPilot767, on 14 December 2009 - 08:37 PM, said:

Yes, because of this i´m looking forward to fly this baby. Old-school-style: INS, VOR, ADF, DME and a real paper chart with coffee-spots on it...

Timo

PS: Not quite right: The A300-600 already had a ND and a FMC and was modified for a two-men-cockpit.


The version included in this package is the A300B4-200, not the -600. Also, if you look in the VC, you'll notice an INS, no FMC/CDU. But yeah, the -600 was modified for two pilots, as you said.

Finally, an Airbus A/P I might understand ;-)
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Posted 15 December 2009 - 12:05 AM

Looks absolutely stunning to me! That will definitely be a great pleasure to fly.
A300 is not a piece of cake (like the self-flying A320 series, lol), but a real challenge.
Especially when treated with care for systems depth. Like in this case, I guess.
I've played with CIVA/Groza/INS navigation tools in RFP 742 and PT Tu-154. Satisfaction guaranteed.

View PostWL, on 14 December 2009 - 02:09 PM, said:

For the moment only an FSX version is planned, but...who knows.

You know! ;) And I hope you'll make it an FS9 product too, for many hard core (hence this kind of simulation) simmers who have stayed in FS9, including myself.

Always pleasure to watch such good projects Good luck with it!
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Posted 15 December 2009 - 07:42 AM

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You know! ;) And I hope you'll make it an FS9 product too, for many hard core (hence this kind of simulation) simmers who have stayed in FS9, including myself.

Always pleasure to watch such good projects Good luck with it!


When we decided 2 years ago to only do an FSX model we could not have foreseen that FS would be dropped by MS. We did also not expect that more than 2 years after FSX was released, many people would still be flying FS9 ! But sometimes things don't go the way you expect...

We have not made any decision about an FS9 version at this point, it is quite a task downgrading to an older version of FS especially when many FSX only features have sneaked into the model and the programming of the panel.

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Posted 15 December 2009 - 07:48 AM

View PostSimPilot767, on 14 December 2009 - 08:20 PM, said:

I have to say that nightlighting and the little "wear and tear" looks very nice,
but since a few weeks "we" aerosoft customers are a little bit "spoilt" by the polygon-wonder A321!
Obviously the A300 seems to have much less polygons, but maybe this is an advantage concerning the FPS!?


We don't like to compare our model to anyone elses so I won't go there if you don't mind.

I do know that we are in a constant battle with FSX for memory and fps. FSX is a resource sucking monster and we have tried to keep the fps as high as possible, to do that we had to put a cap on the number of poly's. The model is still very high quality however.

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Posted 15 December 2009 - 08:03 AM

Hello, Björn

View PostBjorn Comhaire, on 15 December 2009 - 08:42 AM, said:

it is quite a task downgrading to an older version of FS especially when many FSX only features have sneaked into the model and the programming of the panel

I can fully understand it and even if this will only be an FSX addon, I will watch its development with interest.
Looks like one of the most intriguing projects of the last years to me.
Hats off to people creating products combining complexity and quality. I'm sure this one will do.

And by the way:

View PostBjorn Comhaire, on 15 December 2009 - 08:42 AM, said:

We did also not expect that more than 2 years after FSX was released, many people would still be flying FS9!
I became aware of it as soon as I installed FSX and understood what disappointment it was. To me (and many others).
Mathijs, don't say anything if you're reading it! ;)
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Posted 15 December 2009 - 03:24 PM

Hello!

Well, the polygon count is not very high - although the polygon count does not really bring down FSX performance primarily - its more the materials and ways of mapping things - and the amount of draw calls that are generated in the end ;) also, the gauges that are mapped inside the VC bring down the performance significantly. And as the A300 has a flight deck with LOTS of individual guages, last but not least because of the FE panel and the fact that nearly every switch and every system is operational in this addon, it will take some performance of course.

However, the resulting performance requirements are in the mid range...

from my comparison (Q9300, GTX260, 4GB Ram):

default 737: 35-60 fps (or even more... depends on the situation)
NLS A380-800 ( of course thats not a completed aircraft :D ): 25-40 fps
Simcheck A300: 20-35 fps
PMDG B747-400: 10-20fps
PMDG JS41: even a bit less... the highest I got was around 17 fps

polygon counts for the SimCheck A300 are as follows:

VC: 67487 polygons
external model: 56129 polygons

here are some shots from 3dsmax if you are interested ;)

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Posted 15 December 2009 - 03:30 PM

Also, a few screens that you might not have seen yet... however, these are a bit older already ;)

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