Pao13 32 Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 Hello, I have just bought this nice bird and had a question with regards to joystick sensitivity. I found that, even setting the sensitivity to max and null zone to 0, the airbus is not really reactive at low speed... I was approaching the runway and had hard time to quickly adapt the heading... worst, the plane suddenly start picking down and I could not avoid the crash.... my speed was 180 knots and I was flying manually.. Can anyone help ? Thank you PS : I am using a basic Logitech Extreme 3D joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 873 Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 Sensitivity set to max and nullzone to min is the way to go. Note that even if an aircraft has FBW it still will be bound to normal aerodynamic laws. At slow speed response will be slow, try to plan ahead when maneuovering. Finn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paskie 3 Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 Hello, I have just bought this nice bird and had a question with regards to joystick sensitivity. I found that, even setting the sensitivity to max and null zone to 0, the airbus is not really reactive at low speed... I was approaching the runway and had hard time to quickly adapt the heading... worst, the plane suddenly start picking down and I could not avoid the crash.... my speed was 180 knots and I was flying manually.. Can anyone help ? Thank you PS : I am using a basic Logitech Extreme 3D joy. Let me start by saying that I'm impressed with this add-on, definately worth the wait and the money! Well done Aerosoft. However, I have to say I'm also a little puzzled by the flight controls. I've never flown a real airliner so I can't be sure if this is realistic modelling or not, but this is the first add-on to show this kind of bahaviour if that is anything to go by. Also, if you watch videos on youtube the real thing seems to be a lot more responsive, and I find a little suspicious that the plane would saddenly start nose diving and any attempt to pull the joystick up goes pretty much unnoticed. Would be nice to know other people experience, especially the lucky ones who have flown the real thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pao13 32 Posted September 3, 2010 Author Share Posted September 3, 2010 I am almost sure that there is something wrong.... I have never had such a slow response to commands.... if you get strong winds on approach the plane should response quite quickly.... and I have never seen such a behaviour on any other add-ons. Can any other users confirm ? Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandi99 11 Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 Yes Pao the flight behaviour is very tardy and slow, hopefully aerosoft fix that. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted September 3, 2010 Aerosoft Share Posted September 3, 2010 Let me start by saying that I'm impressed with this add-on, definately worth the wait and the money! Well done Aerosoft. However, I have to say I'm also a little puzzled by the flight controls. I've never flown a real airliner so I can't be sure if this is realistic modelling or not, but this is the first add-on to show this kind of bahaviour if that is anything to go by. Also, if you watch videos on youtube the real thing seems to be a lot more responsive, and I find a little suspicious that the plane would saddenly start nose diving and any attempt to pull the joystick up goes pretty much unnoticed. Would be nice to know other people experience, especially the lucky ones who have flown the real thing. Are you sure you are in full control of the aircraft at that moment? If you make a strong control input the FBW will move from what ever mode it is in to the direct mode but that sometimes takes a moment. Also keep in mind that most pilots who flown Airbus have told us that fully manually flown it not a very nice aircraft to fly, a bit slow in everything, very unlike a Boeing of the same size that's responsive and seems to enjoy flying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Silva 0 Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 Hello, Yes, I'm experiencing the same odd behaviour when passing 100 ft AGL: The aircraft is flying the glide path completly stabilised and suddently has a violent PITCH DOWN tendency that makes me apply full back pressure on the stick to prevent nose diving into the ground. I don't think that it may be related to any flight envelope protection kicking or wrong Mode, this is happening to me even in complete manual mode ( Blank FMA) Could It be something related with the transition from Normal Law to Direct Law? It seems like the trim position suffers a suddent offset into the nose down direction. (although I think that the law transition is set to happen at 50 ft AGL on the real BUS). Can the Devs confirm that Airbus X switches from normal to direct law when descending to land? Hope this helps killing the BUG. None the less, I'm having Fun with it! Hurray Aerosoft! Cheers Bruno Silva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted September 3, 2010 Aerosoft Share Posted September 3, 2010 Hello, Yes, I'm experiencing the same odd behaviour when passing 100 ft AGL: The aircraft is flying the glide path completly stabilised and suddently has a violent PITCH DOWN tendency that makes me apply full back pressure on the stick to prevent nose diving into the ground. I don't think that it may be related to any flight envelope protection kicking or wrong Mode, this is happening to me even in complete manual mode ( Blank FMA) Could It be something related with the transition from Normal Law to Direct Law? It seems like the trim position suffers a suddent offset into the nose down direction. (although I think that the law transition is set to happen at 50 ft AGL on the real BUS). Can the Devs confirm that Airbus X switches from normal to direct law when descending to land? Hope this helps killing the BUG. None the less, I'm having Fun with it! Hurray Aerosoft! Cheers Bruno Silva I'll have that confirmed. Not sure myself as I am far from a developer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamZ 13 Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 I'm noticing the very strong nose down behavior on final as well. Also noticing heavy nose down requiring almost full back stick when disconnecting the autopilot. Here is a pic of the panel state just before AP disconnect. As soon as the AP is disabled the aircraft pitches nose down requiring heavy back stick to stabilize. I'm also noticing that the flight director bars on an ILS approach are very inaccurate for pitch. With the aircraft on glideslope the FD bars will be commanding close to 5 degrees nose down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pao13 32 Posted September 3, 2010 Author Share Posted September 3, 2010 Well I am sorry but since Mathijs said thousands of times that this aircraft was dedicated to "basic" flightsimmers, I would have expected that (airbus or not) it could be easily handled in manual mode..... I am very disapointed on this point... and it reminds me the Airsimmer A320 handling beofre patch 1.... Otherwise, everything is great so PLEASE Mathijs, in SP1, just make the manual handling more reactive and it will be P-E-R-F-E-C-T. .... and on top of that, it is IMPOSSIBLE to land the aircrfat manually.... It crashes every single time adopting strange behaviour.... It really reminds me the Airsimmer releease and I start regreting the Wilco Airbus. (That's so sad with such a beautiful looking...) I fell very sad and disapointed. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankeesji 38 Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 Well I am sorry but since Mathijs said thousands of times that this aircraft was dedicated to "basic" flightsimmers, I would have expected that (airbus or not) it could be easily handled in manual mode..... I am very disapointed on this point... and it reminds me the Airsimmer A320 handling beofre patch 1.... Otherwise, everything is great so PLEASE Mathijs, in SP1, just make the manual handling more reactive and it will be P-E-R-F-E-C-T. Greg Come on Greg, it's not that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pao13 32 Posted September 3, 2010 Author Share Posted September 3, 2010 Well I just noticed that coming close to the runway, there was a kind of "release" of the commands and the aircraft becomes very very sensitive to joystick input (too much actually)... is this normal or is that a bug ? Thanks Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivek 4 Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 I am almost sure that there is something wrong.... I have never had such a slow response to commands.... if you get strong winds on approach the plane should response quite quickly.... and I have never seen such a behaviour on any other add-ons. Can any other users confirm ? Thank you I also have slow comand response . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pao13 32 Posted September 4, 2010 Author Share Posted September 4, 2010 I confirm the following : When rolling to take off, the commands are really responsive (slightly too much actually). Right and Left bank are fast.... Once airborn after a few hundred feets (2-300 ft), suddenly the commands become very slow to respond and it takes for ages to turn or descent.... is this a normal behaviour ? I can't imagine that Mathijs, while testing the aircraft did not notice that.... keeping in mind the targeted audience, I believe that it should have required a bit of tunning so that people can still have fun flying this aircrfat manually and not only in AP (even though this is how it should be done in reality).... this is till FSX.... Mathijs, any comments on this behaviour ? Thank you very much and thank you again for this great product ! Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pao13 32 Posted September 4, 2010 Author Share Posted September 4, 2010 Mathijs, sorry to bother you but can you confirm how your plane commands behave befoe and after 100-200 ft ? Very responsive or very slow ? thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c2a 0 Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 Yes i confirm, i 've noticed the same behaviour at about 200ft before landing, the bus begins to fall very quickly try to pull up with the joystick, but the latency time is so long to avoid to crash. Try to change Trim but i experience the same thing all the time ! very weird ! I also notice that the control of flight is very difficult with AP off Best Regards C2A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damocles 24 Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 Yes i confirm, i 've noticed the same behaviour at about 200ft before landing, the bus begins to fall very quickly try to pull up with the joystick, but the latency time is so long to avoid to crash. Try to change Trim but i experience the same thing all the time ! very weird ! I also notice that the control of flight is very difficult with AP off Best Regards C2A I just finished a flight from ELLX to EGLL - I flew the approach 09L manually and landed without issues - there was a slight twist on the aircraft just before touchdown but it seems smooth with no aggressive flight characteristics. I was using Saitek Rudders/Yoke/Throttles, I wonder if that makes a difference. Going into ELLX I did notice a 45 degree twist just before landing - felt like windshear.....at least that is what I'll pretend it to be. I'm actually 50/50 on the airbusX - I really like the new lighting and vc night textures (the landing lights with 3d lights add-on looks great) but it just feels basic and I can't trim the bird. It's not worth the asking price especially when you have moderate systems simulated.....It kinda feels like the default Airbus with a bit of lipstick and a nice perm:D D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pao13 32 Posted September 4, 2010 Author Share Posted September 4, 2010 ... well thinking that the easiest thing to implement was basic easy flight controls... this is really frustrating.... I would be extremely satisfied if that was the case. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Colka 2 Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 Or try disconnecting the flight computers, those three square buttons in the upper panel at the left side, this is not the supposed way but it returns the more Boeing control feeling, this is what I used to do before the Airbus X with default A321, I always switch off FBW systems for hand flying. Give it a try as a temporary solution until we have something final. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pao13 32 Posted September 4, 2010 Author Share Posted September 4, 2010 Hi Alex, It works !.... but do you think the next SP1 will bring a bit more of responsiveness in the FBW ? Thanks a lot, Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Colka 2 Posted September 5, 2010 Share Posted September 5, 2010 Well Greg, I don't know because of the FSX structure, if you see in the [AIRPLANE_GEOMETRY] section of the aircraft.cfg at the final there is a line "fly_by_wire = 1" that is causing this strange control feeling, same as the default A321, so that's why this maybe an optional choice for the user. Perhaps our friends Mr. Kok or Finn could know more about this. Regards, Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamZ 13 Posted September 5, 2010 Share Posted September 5, 2010 Hopefully the developers will elaborate, but it is sounding more and more like the Airbus X is using the default FSX a321 FBW and not a custom implementation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Colka 2 Posted September 5, 2010 Share Posted September 5, 2010 I hope so too, because if you see there is a custom FSX A321 panel out there that implements a very nice autoland system that I used in that dafault aircraft switching off the FBW computers. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pao13 32 Posted September 5, 2010 Author Share Posted September 5, 2010 Mathijs or Finn, could you confirm if you'll look at this ? Thank you Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damocles 24 Posted September 5, 2010 Share Posted September 5, 2010 I wonder if the Landing Elevation set to Auto @ 100Ft has anything to do with the pitching issues. I noticed this on one of the screens during the flight. I still can't see this very much, but I kept an eye on things on my EGPH approach and it did dip a little at 100ft but it was easily corrected for a kiss (-132.3 ft/m according to fspassengers) landing with real-time REX2 weather ( crosswind at 124@13kts). I had independent control of throttles - yoke - rudders, I can imagine it being harder to correct if the pilot is using a joystick/keyboard combo. D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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